What is missing timing?

missing timing is baisically when a condition is met for a monster to activate it's effect(ex. destroyed , sent to the grave , removed from field etc.) however cannot use it's effect because there is already a chain going on which cannot be broken.

what kind of effect monsters CAN miss timing?

monster's with optional effect's meaning you dont have to use it cause well , its optional. not mandatory like sangan. the monster's that have "when and can" in their effect's like for example :



"Whenthis card is sent from the field to the Graveyard: You can target up to 2 of your banished "Elemental HERO" monsters; add those targets to your hand."

same applies for



"When & Can" , Keep this in mind.

How to Properly make your opponent miss timing?

lets say your field is forbidden lance and torrential tribute.Your opponent banishes light and dark for light pulsar dragon , you are at fast effect timing to respond to the summon a.k.a the summoning window which is a period of time where the monster either yours our your opponent's is summoned and a chain CAN be started in response. for example chain forbidden lance to the SUMMON of light pulsar dragon , NOT while its face up on the field but to the summon and if no response from opponent you can then chain your torrential tribute because you are still in summoning window the condition of summoning a monster is still being met. now chains resolve backwards , so torrential will ressolve first destroying light pulsar dragon (this is where Light Pulsar dragon would want to activate) however your opponent cannot declare whether or not he/she wants to use your optional effect because forbidden lance still has to resolve.

in conclusion this is what missing timing is , the condition for the monster's effect is being met but you cannot choose to activate the optional "when" effect because there is still a card in the chain that has to resolve meaning , the condition that was met is not the last thing that happened in the chain.

be smart about this though , you dont want to minus yourself to make an opponent miss timing unless it is necesary.

a good card that is considered must have side or possibly main deck card this current format is "soultaker" being how it gets rid of any monster your opponent controls at the cost of 1000 lp which also makes cards like shining and light pulsar miss timing.

i hope this post helps please comment with thought's

~Sincerly Melz~

Mhm, if something else happened after the activation condition was met, then you have missed the timing, and cannot activate the optional effect.

Good job mely.

L.Lawliet wrote:
Good job mely.

thanks

Excellent short guide, Keep it going

Kimo Force wrote:It's a little messy and not very convincing, but it gets its point across. Good job.
However, I would like to point out something: You stated that Lightpulsar Dragon loses its timing because Forbidden Lance was first in chain. It should be known that Lightpulsar's effect starts a chain by itself, so he will get his effect in a new chain, but instead of Forbidden Lance, if this one trap card I remember which removes all cards in the graveyard from play activates first in the chain, Lightpulsar would be removed from play since it was sent to the graveyard first, and only then will it lose it's timing since it is not in the graveyard by the time its effect activates. Another good example is when using Mystical Space Typhoon then chaining the targetted Call of the Haunted to bring back Elemental HERO Stratos for instance. Typhoon would destroy Call of the Haunted, destroying Stratos and forcing it to lose its timing.

i went blind before and after good job. 8)

ill keep that in mind.

Meh it's pretty good but in all honesty I agree with kimo, it has some flaws. Nice try.

bakura normal wrote:Meh it's pretty good but in all honesty I agree with kimo, it has some flaws. Nice try.

if u guys dont like it delete it. simple as that. and ill know for future reffrence to not post another advice.

Melz wrote:

bakura normal wrote:Meh it's pretty good but in all honesty I agree with kimo, it has some flaws. Nice try.

if u guys dont like it delete it. simple as that. and ill know for future reffrence to not post another advice.

I don't think he wanted to be mean. Nobody's gonna delete an article if it's related to the subject, it doesn't matter if people like it or not. You shouldn't be turned down just because one person doesn't like one of your articles.
I personally like it, it explains some advanced rulings regarding timing. There are some spelling and grammar mistakes here and there, but overall it's understandable.
Good job, I encourage you to write more of these. It could be a good way to learn some new combos and stuff, and maybe, even learn something new.

I do agree that Melz shouldn't take it to heart but at the same time, if you're going to post a critique or opinion, be specific. Quote parts you think should be improved, give informative advice, etc. It's not gonna do anyone any good to read short and vague reasons why or why not an article is good or still needs improving.

Kimo did a good job of that.

Jimi wrote:I do agree that Melz shouldn't take it to heart but at the same time, if you're going to post a critique or opinion, be specific. Quote parts you think should be improved, give informative advice, etc. It's not gonna do anyone any good to read short and vague reasons why or why not an article is good or still needs improving.

Kimo did a good job of that.

I wasn't exactly planning to fix the article, I just wanted to give my opinion. Also, I'm not that advanced of a player, so most of these complex rulings are new for me.
I still have much to learn, a lot changed in 4 years.

I wasn't talking about you when I wrote that. What I said is also for anyone else that might have a critique in the future.

Jimi wrote:I wasn't talking about you when I wrote that. What I said is also for anyone else that might have a critique in the future.

Alright then, no hard feelings.
I was just pointing out that new players and people that just got back to the game (like me) might not know of all these things yet.

this is leanin towards a spam topic now i request a clean on this topic plz , ty.

Melz wrote:this is leanin towards a spam topic now i request a clean on this topic plz , ty.

There's no need to clean it now.
Any more spam on this topic will be deleted from now on, please guys, only post subject-related content. Thank you.

youre alright. i like it.

very helpful thanks

however cannot use it's effect because there is already a chain going on which cannot be broken.

there's another scenario where the effect can't be activated because there's still summoning procedure that can't be interrupted by trigger effects.

for example chain forbidden lance to the SUMMON of light pulsar dragon , NOT while its face up on the field but to the summon and if no response from opponent you can then chain your torrential tribute because you are still in summoning window the condition of summoning a monster is still being met.

You can't chain to a summon.
if you activate lance in response to light pulsar dragon's summon, it's activated in the summoning response window, after the monster is summoned and it's already face-up on the field. unless you open the summoning negation window with summoning negater card like Royal Oppression or Thunder King Rai-Oh's effect.
if you activate lance in response to light pulsar dragon's summon, it's activated in the summoning response window, after the monster is summoned and it's already face-up on the field. unless you open the summoning negation window with summoning negater card like Royal Oppression or Thunder King Rai-Oh's effect.